Author Archives: Michael Froomkin

Two Links From TalkLeft

Talkleft, which just has tons of good stuff every week, has two links of particular interest.

First, Iraqi Top General Complains About Confinement Conditions, a link to a Washington Post story which lays out facts tending to prove that the US is holding a top Iraqi general, and admitted POW, in conditions that violate the Geneva Conventions. The speculation is that the General wouldn't give the answers sought about Iraqi WMD's which, after all, we know are out there somewhere.

The second link is to a nice piece of of torture-related surrealism by ex-Phythonian Terry Jones, writing in the Guardian about how This won't hurt much.

Turns out it hurts even when I don't laugh.

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Molly Ivins Can’t Say I Said That, Can She?

I've been a fan of Molly Ivins for many years, but in yesterday's column she subtly misquotes me and gets the name of my employer wrong. Should I care? And, living in a blogger's glass house, dare I care?

Here's what happened. Salon.com recently ran an item by Geraldine Sealey in its “War Room” which said, in part,

On his excellent blog, University of Miami law professor Michael Froomkin analyzes the Pentagon torture memo, or at least the redacted version published on Wall Street Journal Online. His reaction: “If anyone in the higher levels of government acted in reliance on this advice, those persons should be impeached. If they authorized torture, it may be that they have committed, and should be tried for, war crimes. And, as we learned at Nuremberg, 'I was just following orders' is NOT (and should not be) a defense.”

And, in my item on the Bybee Memo I wrote,

the lawyers who wrote this memo were guilty of a lack of moral sense, and extreme tunnel vision fueled by a national panic. The people who asked them to write it, who read it, and especially any who may have acted on it — they’re people who really have the most to answer for.

Somehow, by the time Ms. Ivins was done with it, this became,

As Professor Michael Froomkin, of Miami University, told Salon magazine: “The lawyers who wrote it are guilty. The people who asked them to write it, who read it and who may have acted on it, they're the people who really have to answer for it.”

So there are three mistakes packed in there:

  1. I didn't “tell” Salon anything, the War Room just very kindly quoted from my blog.
  2. I don't teach at Miami University in Ohio—they don't even have a law school. I teach at the University of Miami School of Law in Coral Gables, Florida.
  3. Most seriously, the transformation of “the lawyers who wrote this memo were guilty of a lack of moral sense, and extreme tunnel vision fueled by a national panic” to “The lawyers who wrote it are guilty” subtly changed the meaning of the first sentence. And the second has been re-written too. Why?

OK, none of these is that big a deal, although the journalists I know best would (I think) set themselves a higher standard of accuracy. Nor, I suppose, would this sort of transformation be unheard of in the blog world, although we have hyperlinks to keep us more faithful to sources.

But in the academic legal publishing world we footnote everything and try real, real hard to get it just right (and even there, being human, fail sometimes). We do, however, have the luxury of time, and often the additional luxury of various forms of smart and somewhat-trained student research assistants and editors. The absence of time for detailed checking and reflection (not to mention the absence of smart assistance) is one reason why it's hard sometimes to feel comfortable about blogging about current legal events except the narrowest subset of things I know best—it's writing without the safety net of time and reflection. Timeliness has a value, but to the academic in me that hurrying sometimes feels dangerous and wrong. And it means the odds are much greater (approaching certainty?) that I will be wrong sometimes when blogging in ways I would never be in academic writing.

Glass house indeed.

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Judge Kozinski Has a Fan Site

Even judges get fan sites? Well, at least one witty, intelligent, highly readable, and arch-conservative judge does: The Unofficial Judge Alex Kozinski Site (spotted via Tim Bishop)

What's next, a fan club?

Oh, wait, maybe there is one.

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Feed on Feeds Has a New Feature: “It works”

My blogreader is a server-side program called Feed on Feeds which makes up in power (a lot) what it lacks in elegance (there isn't much). The other day up popped an announcement of version 0.1.4, and I was planning to upgrade from 0.1.3. But now comes an announcement of version 0.1.5 with what Steve Munutillo, the programmer, says is has a feature that I suppose got left out of 0.1.4: “it works”. You should forget that 0.1.4 ever happened, and use 0.1.5..

Maybe I'll put off the upgrade a couple more days.

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So If I Don’t Answer, Call Me

My e-mail account at work, to which all other email is funneled, is very seriously messed up.

Three facts:

1. A student tells me she's been 'e-mailing me all semester' and justifiably complains that I didn't answer. I try to answer student email as top priority, but have no recollection of any of the email. Nor is any of it in my extensive saved mail file.

2. An invitation to a major conference I'd really like to go to was e-mailed to me several weeks ago, I never got it, and they assumed I was not interested. I heard about it by accident yesterday.

3. Today, email both to and from me is taking random numbers of extra hours to turn up, sometimes in double digits. If it does turn up.

Some Observations:

● Numbers one and two may be due to my roll-your-own procmail spam filters. But I'm getting well over a thousand spams a day and have to do something. I've asked the law school to upgrade the Unix box to a version of Perl that's less than four years old so I can install something like Spam Assassin, and they are working on it. No ETA, and if experience is any guide they'll roll it out about a week before (or after) it's obsolete.

● Number three, the random delays, is new. Here is a fragment from a sample header:

Received: from spitfire.law.miami.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1])
by spitfire.law.miami.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9F065C7118
for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 08:01:02 -0400 (EDT)
Received: from smarty.dreamhost.com (smarty.dreamhost.com [66.33.216.24])
by spitfire.law.miami.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB0005CA84D
for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 21:48:43 -0400 (EDT)

How can there be a ten hour gap between receipt and delivery on the same machine??? Update: the school sent around a voice mail message which says we're being subjected to “a targeted spam attack” which I take to mean a DDOS attack.

● I may need to find a new, commercial email host or change to gmail.

WHAT ELSE HAVE I BEEN MISSING?????

● And last but not least, how come no one picks up the phone anymore if e-mail isn't being answered?

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The ‘Terrorist With an A-bomb’ Torture Scenario

Debates about the legality of torture often invoke intuitions about the morality of the practice. The argument is that there may be extreme circumstances in which torture is morally justified, and if so the law should reflect this. (A subsidiary and separate issue is whether a particular given circumstance, e.g. the War on Terror, rises to the level of sufficiently extreme circumstances.)

Many people, especially the type of people who believe in inalienable human rights, have the intuition that torture is always wrong. Other people are not so sure; their intuitions are more utilitarian (it was Bentham, after all, who said “The idea of rights is nonsense and the idea of natural rights is nonsense on stilts”). What if torturing (killing?) one person (or a few people? or a few dozen people?) could save thousands, or millions? Wouldn't that be morally justified?

The most common capsule version of this question bandied about is the ‘terrorist known to have an a-bomb in NY’ (TABNY) scenario: What if the police capture someone 'known' to have a ticking a-bomb secreted somewhere in a major city, and 'know' they have only 24 hours to get the location before it goes off.

I think these hypotheticals have almost no connection with reality: How can the police 'know' the suspect is in fact guilty, and 'know' about the deadline, with sufficient moral certainty to be willing to contemplate torture, and yet not know what they seek?

I think these hypotheticals also elide what we know about torture: that some people don't crack, and that others will say anything, yes, even false things, to make it stop. And how many false leads does the victim have to give before the 24 hours are up?

But never mind that. Let's take it on its own terms. And by its own terms, I mean from the framework of a utilitarian moral calculus, since I doubt that a short blog post is going to convert a utilitarian to a rights-based vision of morality (although there are arguments justifying rights-based morality in consequentialist or utilitarian terms).

Law preforms complex functions in modern society. Among them it gives notice of which actions risk consequences (deterrence) and is to at least a limited extent a moral statement of what the community values, tolerates, or abhors (education).

We also know that rules tend to be violated. Generally speaking, however, if something is permitted we are likely to see more of it. Indeed, as the Medium Lobster recently noted, in some visions of utilitarianism it would be morally proper to torture N people if it would save N+1, or even morally proper to torture infinite numbers of “them” to save one of “us”.

Rules against the torture of suspects/detainees/prisoners are directed at the people who have power over that person. If we as a nation craft a rule that says torture is permitted to serve the greater good, we instruct the police officer/CIA officer/soldier at the sharp end that they should in each case make a personal judgment as to whether the end justifies this means. It is the nature of man, and especially bureaucratic man, that in times of stress people frequently are going to choose to err in the direction of heading off the mass disaster rather than risk being held responsible for failing to prevent it. That means we're likely going to see a lot of torture, indeed “too much” even by a utilitarian calculation. Furthermore, once you open the door to torture, there's no logical reason to think it will only be applied to “them”. What if the suspected 'terrorist with the bomb' is one of “us”?

Utilitarian opponents of a flat no-torture rule nevertheless object that it fails to deal with the rare but possible TABNY case where torture would be justified, and that this failing should be corrected. Here, I think I'll follow the great Charles L. Black, Jr. lead. In an article I wrote on cryptography and the constitution a few years ago I summarized Black's view:

that an “absolute” right against being tortured might nonetheless find room for an exception in the case of “the man who knew where the [atom] bomb [was ticking, but] sat grinning and silent in a chair” far from the place he had planted it. Charles L. Black, Jr., Mr. Justice Black, The Supreme Court, and the Bill of Rights, Harper's, Feb. 1961, at 63, reprinted in The Occasions of Justice: Essays Mostly on Law 89, 99 (1963). Explaining this position in a Constitutional Law class I attended at Yale in 1984, Professor Black stated that he believed torture morally justified in this extreme and hypothetical case. Once the torturer extracted the information required, Black continued, he should at once resign to await trial, pardon, and/or a decoration, as the case might be.

I think Charles Black got it exactly right. I'm not sure that I think torture is ever morally justified or sensible, but I am prepared to accept that in the most extreme circumstances there might be an exception to that rule. But one thing I am certain about: if someone thinks that torture might be morally correct in a given situation, I want the potential torturer to understand that by acting on their view they are putting themselves personally at risk, and that their duty is to turn themselves in as soon as they've extracted what they sought (or failed).

If it turns out that the belief which motivated the torture was justified (and the a-bomb is defused), we may praise them. But if it turns out that the belief was mistaken, and especially if they have tortured an innocent, let them not turn to legal institutions for refuge.

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